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  • Rmf/rfm?

    Right: This could be me being a gormless twonk, but is right arm medium-fast (RMF) slower, or faster, than right arm fast-medium (RFM)?

    If it's slower, then surely several players in ICC 2008 - Stuart Broad, for example - have been mislabelled as RMF when in fact they're faster than that.

    Apologies if this has been pointed out before but the bugs thread is so long nowadays I couldn't be bothered reading the whole thing. Does anyone know whether or not this is right?

  • #2
    This is the correct designation,

    Classification of fast bowlers Type mph km/h
    Fast 90 MPH + 145 KM/H +
    Fast-medium 85 to 89 MPH, 136 to 145 KM/H
    Medium-fast 80 to 85 MPH, 128 to 136 KM/H
    Medium 70 to 80 MPH, 114 to 128 KM/H

    although i believe ICC2008 has this the wrong way round....as RMF seem to be quicker in the game than RFM, which is incorrect.
    Last edited by MarksNotts; 06-12-2009, 04:27 PM.
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    • #3
      Cheers MarksNotts! That's a relief, otherwise my selection process for the first 10 years of the game would have been completely wrong.

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      • #4
        The way I see it is as ;

        RFM ; Is a fast bowler, who is of a medium pace.

        RMF ; Is a medium bowler, who bowls fast.

        I would say that RFM is quicker.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Simbazz View Post
          The way I see it is as ;

          RFM ; Is a fast bowler, who is of a medium pace.

          RMF ; Is a medium bowler, who bowls fast.

          I would say that RFM is quicker.
          That is correct!!!
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          • #6
            Well...

            We have it as RMF faster than RFM.

            Why?

            Right Fast Medium

            Right Medium Fast

            It's a group classification, but it works backwards, so RMF is: he's in the medium range of being a fast bowler.

            RFM: He's in the fast range of a medium bowler.

            How we deal with it. Be that right or wrong is very much down to your own opinion. Personally, I think we have it right. Having spoken to other data people for other games (sports management) they agree with me.

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            • #7
              I would just say that a RMF was a swinger and RFM was a seamer. Just my tuppence.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Sureshot View Post
                Well...

                We have it as RMF faster than RFM.

                Why?
                That's not always been the case though. The 2d version of the game had a much longer run up for RFM than RMF

                RFM had the same run up as RF
                RMF had the same run up as RM

                Used to get a lot more "beaten for pace" wickets with RFM than RMF as well (in the comments).

                I think they were swapped about the time of ICC3.

                I don't care which was it is as long as I know.

                An MPH or (KPH) in the ball tracker screen would be good though


                Paul
                The continued lack of stats in ICC is not so much the elephant in the room - as the Brontosaurus in the bathtub.

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                • #9
                  Paul has it - this has been an issue of some dispute for quite a while, but in the end it's not important so long as we know which way round they are.

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                  • #10
                    how come then RMF seem to be able to bowl longer spells than RFM

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                    • #11
                      I've always taken RMF to be the faster of the two, simply from the structure of the terms:

                      Medium fast, as in: he is a bowler of medium fast pace. The pace he bowls is medium level of fast.

                      Fast medium, as in: he bowls a fast medium pace. The pace he bowls is fast for a medium bowler.

                      Some take it as the last term being what they bowl occasionally, whereby fast medium is a fast bowler who occasionally slows to medium and medium fast the other way round, but this strikes me as a strange way of classifying.

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